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SHOULD 17-YEAR-OLDS BE ABLE TO RIDE UNRESTRICTED MOTORCYCLES?

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She may be a new driver, but 17-year-old Lucy can get any car she wants - regardless of its engine size - now that she's passed her test.

James, on the other hand, does not have those privileges. He has to wait till he's 21 to have free reign on his vehicle of choice. 'Why?', you ask. Because his vehicle of choice is a motorcycle.

Currently, you must be at least 21 to ride an unrestricted motorcycle. And that's after passing not one but three practical tests. A1 at 17; A2 at 19; and A3 at 21, but only if you've had your A2 for two years. For those who haven't, it'll need to be achieved through a direct access course, which you'll have to wait till you're 24 to take. 24!


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The rules of motorcycling are indeed confusing. And they've gotten tougher since 2013. Before January that year, you would've been able to ride any capacity bike you wanted at 19, providing you'd been riding for two years. Those seeking direct access could do so at 21.

It hasn't been long since we've had these new rules. Yet, the National Motorcycle Dealers Association is pushing to have them changed. Again.

In a letter to the Secretary of State for Transport, the NMDA claims that age restrictions for motorcyclists are "complicated" and "inconsistent" with the simpler licence system for driving cars.


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For young adults, obtaining a full motorcycle licence is a difficult affair. And clearly, the government must believe there are reasons for this, having only recently changed the rules. But if the rules were revised, and if 17-year-olds were able to take just one test and ride any motorcycle they wanted to, what would happen then?

Talk to some experienced riders and they'll tell you that being a good motorcyclist takes time. 'Go easy in your first few years', they might warn new riders. 'Get a little bike first; gain some experience.' That sounds like good advice for first-time riders. But should it be advice, rather than being mandatory?

Should bikers have equal rights to car drivers, or is it better for everyone's safety if they don't?

We'd love to know what you think.

Tell us your opinion at news@wemoto.com.

Comments
08/09/16 - The answer is quite simply "NO". But , a 17 year old car driver should in my opinion under go the same training along similar guidelines as young motorcyclists do to go up in stages to be able to drive more powerful vehicles

08/09/16 - Cars - 17 to 21 yrs, 50 BHP max 60 mph speed limiter, no rear seats.
Bikes - 14 to 17 yrs 50 cc max no pillion.
17 to 21 yrs max 30 BHP 60mph speed limiter on full licence no restrictions or further tests after that (retain 125cc no pillion restriction on provisional but with 60mph speed limiter)

          08/09/16 -  I agree fully both cars and bikes 250s were a good introduction compulsory training should have been brought in not a 250 ban

           08/09/16 - Darwin was winning big time with LCs and X7s so 'something' had to be done. In the long run though Darwin will always win.

           08/09/16 - So to be allowed to drive my daughter would have to take the seats out to be able to drive my car on a weekend?
          Many young drivers are driving a parent's car for a few years after passing, but I can understand a passenger limit
          2 year period of restricted to a lower powered car (average family car probably makes comfortably less than 100bhp) restricted to 60mph would be dangerous on dual carriageways or motorways
          With regards the speed limiter on a 125cc, it's not needed, keeping up with traffic flow is, most can't quite hit 70mph anyway.

          09/09/16 - the 250 ban came in after manufacturers started making seriously fast 2 stroke 250 bikes , kwak kr1s , deathtrap suzuki x7 and Many others , they should have moderated what the bike manufacturers could sell in this country rather than a blanket ban that hit much slower 250s as well !!

08/09/16 - My point is that any road user should be restricted in the power/speed of their vehicles for a couple of years from passing their test. 21 is too arbitrary but it would be safer if Lucy was restricted to a 1 litre car or 50-60bhp for a couple of years to build road craft and driving skills.

          08/09/16 - I agree with this, stop with the discrimination of bikers and stop discriminating on age. Statistically you're most likely to die on a bike between 50 and 60 I read somewhere. NOT 19 - 24 as they'd like us to think.
1 to 2 years restricted for EVERYONE when they first pass. Would be much better system, but the uproar from the car drivers would be too much for them I think, we're easy

          10/09/16 - I agree with both of you, and having been through one of the 2 year restrictions when I was 18, it made me a better rider and I'm an advocate of it.
However, in the above comment, take a moment to think about the statistics. There are probably 20x as many bikers aged between 50-60 as there are aged 18-24. So if you take a statistic based solely on numbers, they're bound to be higher, especially if you're not taking into account whether they were at fault or not. But if you were to look at the percentage of riders it's probably still higher for younger riders, because they're more likely to be new or inexperienced riders.
The only accident I've ever had on a bike was when I was 17 on my 125. Looking back, I'd easily avoid that accident today, experience is the biggest factor.
But that does mean that we come full circle to the idea that all new riders should be restricted, gives them time to learn roadcraft and get experience. The hard bit comes when you consider how to ensure they get experience though. When I passed my test I could have not ridden a bike again for 2 years and my restriction would have been lifted, that would have been more dangerous! But now you have to pass another test, which is expensive and bloody inconvenient!

          11/09/16 - This is because middle aged dudes buy the biggest bike they can get their ass on and don't appreciate how much more power they have since there last bike. A new 600 could run rings round a new 1000. And after driving cars for so many years since their last bike the reaction time on the road is slower and they have bad habits and road rage

          10/09/16 - What about my case? Sure im 27 and have several years previous car driving experience racked up, but only a few months ago at age 26 I passed my IBT on instructor supplied A class 600cc fazer. Then got the biggest bike I could insured on, a honda VFR750F. It is very quick when on the move and very heavy when walking it. Not an ideal first bike but it was my first bike. I did the IBT training for the bike and that gave me enough experience, training and confidence to handle a big bike in a basic but safe and competent manner. So instead of starting with a little 250cc that I would quickly get used to and grow out of in a month, I went and bought a big VFR750f for the sake of a broader learning curve and I can gradually get better on the bike as I go. I think the important thing is not the power of bike, but the common sense to gradually progress and not be flat out everywhere like a suicidal tit.
But experience is key! Whether your 17 or 71 and everything in between and after you need experience before you first bike or first car anyway. Just because your not a young learner driver/biker on the road doesn't make you any more a safer driver/biker!!
Everyone needs proper tuition, experience and respect for other road users to be at least somewhat competent on the road. 17-21 year olds get a very hard time to get started and going, yet its always the older and mature person I see behaving badly on the roads.

          18/04/17 - My comment is the reference to the statistics of more 50-60 year old being killed than 19-24 year olds in bike accidents. Statistics are useless for such things as there are many more older riders than youngsters. To make sense of your figures the percentage of those killed against the numbers holding licenses needs airing. For instance if a firm sells ten cameras and four fail requiring warranty work, there is a 40% claim rate. If a firm who sells four thousand cameras has ten fail, the warranty percentage claim is minute! But statistically the failure rate is worse with the big firm....

08/09/16 - However I passed my bike test at 26 went home hopped onto my GS1100L and rode back through to the test centre, was I any better than an 18, 19 year old?

          08/09/16 - Skill wise maybe not but certainly more risk aware.

           08/09/16 - That's a fair point and I had done 2 years a while before on the old provisional licence.

           08/09/16 - I'm probably a lot quicker on now on a zx10 but I don't take the risks I did at 17 I'm far more aware of the consequences

            08/09/16 - Not really

            08/09/16 - problem is nobody can ride on fields and waste land, unlike when I was a kid. You could learn to control slides and basic riding controls etc in relative safety. Bloody hell people cant even ride a bike off a rally field without dropping then anymore lol

            08/09/16 - 17 year old me had pretty much no fear of death or even any sense of my own mortality. Did some stupid things then just for a laugh and I wouldn't have lasted long if I'd jumped straight on a >130bhp sports bike.
I was 24 when I did my DSA and was so much more aware by then, did go straight from a 125 to GSX-R but had the sense of self preservation and respect for the bike to stay alive.
You can still easily put your life at risk on an A2 bike but the lower power does make it more forgiving and they're still quick enough to outrun most things on 4 wheels.

            08/09/16 - I was riding a 650 Bonnie at 17, I'm still in one piece and still riding 46 years later.,"" keep to your own side of the road and you won't go far wrong"" is what I was told after I passed my test.

            08/09/16 - yes be it car or bike all new drivers should be restricted for minimum 2 years until they can prove they understand the dangers of the roads

08/09/16 - When I passed my test at 17 (on a 250), I could jump on anything; but we had a rare condition called common sense back then. The bikes weren't as powerful though.

          08/09/16 - A GT750 had plenty though

          08/09/16 - Plenty power, weight, s**t brakes, tyres an suspension... It's awe relative.

          09/09/16 - Passed my test on a honda cj 250, then a 400/4 so never a serious accident, but all down to car drivers.

          09/09/16 - there are 125 cc two strokes that can leave the kettle for dust nowadays , it wasnt as fast as you think it was in comparison to newer machines

08/09/16 - i think more training should be had with a cbt and allow use of 125's on a cbt (i think 50cc peds are dangerous with their low speed) and i think the age/power rating the current system have is good, i disagree with having to do another test to progress though. if you do 2 years on an a2 bike, you'd be fine on pretty much any bike after that.

          08/09/16 - 125s are used on cbt?! Do you mean for 16 year olds?

          08/09/16 - no they're not, but i think they should be, it must be lethal having some d**k in a bm up your chuff when you can't go faster than 28mph... i just think they should be accessible, but give better training on the cbt.

          08/09/16 - erm, 125s are used by all cbt centres. Most have both, 50cc for 16 year olds.

          08/09/16 - yeah and that's what i mean, do away with mopeds, and enable a vehicle to get up to and over the lowest speed limits where they won't be holding up impatient drivers... just teach them how to do it better than they might learn in a half day cbt test..

            08/09/16 - Kane Langston Done my cbt on a 125, So they are used

08/09/16 - Unsure due to car drivers still don't think bike but id prefer bike to car so yeh my son know more about bikes at 10than me from moto x

08/09/16 - Well a 17yr old can drive a Ferrari (if daddy's rich enough)

08/09/16 - I would say not at 17 21 yes

08/09/16 - Restrict all new drivers to nothing bigger than a one litre engine for 2 years then another test to go bigger, same roads as bikers so same rules should apply

          08/09/16 - Have you seen how fast a 140ps fiesta 1.0 can go? BHP needs restriction and a 60mph speed limiter until 21

          08/09/16 - Good point, bikes are restricted and so should cars

08/09/16 - life is ending some time & if there stupid enough to Hp a fast bike then S**T HAPPENS If their parents over spent & never trained them to Respect what they ACTUALLY BUILT. um. How do you change a fuse. Pay someone else. You deserve to kill yourself.

08/09/16 - A 125 will kill or injure an idiot just as quickly as a 1000. It's not the power that is the problem. We've all seen 50 year old bikers riding like utter fools, age is not the issue here. Legislation almost never goes backwards, you want unrestricted licenses at 17? Dream on, it's never going to happen.

08/09/16 - There should also be restrictions on driving cars too as there is on motorcycles. 

          08/09/16 - I disagree with your 125/1000cc scenario. What 17 year old would/could resist twisting that throttle without the experience to know what they're doing with that speed. I'm a mid 50s rider with 39 years experience and I agree that age is not the issue, but experience is. You can get a 50 year old born again biker with very little experience jumping on a litre+ bike having lost the skills he learned when younger, thinking he still has it. I know a 72 year old, who makes me cringe at some of the overtakes he does, so much so, I no longer ride with him. Youth on the other hand, is less aware of consequences of their actions.

          08/09/16 - Makes no difference if you agree or not. A 125 WILL injure a bad rider just the same. You don't need to hit a solid object at any more than 30mph to die. A 125 will do 65mph. More than enough to get into serious trouble. It's about attitude more than skill.
          My gf started riding 2 years ago, she has a 1000cc Kwack amongst other bikes now. her skills and experience are limited by her small time on the road, yet she is still unscathed... Attitude. Not engine size, not experience, not skill.
          Conversely, I have a lot of bike skills, gained over a 30 year riding career, racing, couriering, off road, touring, you name it, I've done it, worked in the bike industry for many many years, bike journalism too, own and run my own shop. etc. etc. I am "Mr Motorcycles" essentially, my life is bikes.
          I have all the skills and experience and age that you could wish for. But if I ride with the wrong attitude, none of that counts for anything. I'm a danger to myself and others.

          08/09/16 - Make a mistake with throttle control on 125 and it's forgiving.
Make a mistake with throttle control on a fireblade and you'll be eating tarmac

          08/09/16 - You could equally say that the additional power, brakes and superior suspension would make you safer in other situations.

          09/09/16 -  I agree that attitude goes a long way. In my biking life, my attitude is totally different now than it was when I was starting out, plus the skills I and everyone builds up over the years of experience and riding time give us the ability to ride faster and safer than someone with less experience. We never stop learning, never stop improving our skills. In the mix is that 125/1000cc scenario, I still think the inexperienced rider who jumps on a 200bhp bike, will kill himself with his lack of skills rather than his attitude to riding. A 12bhp 125 is far more forgiving of a lack of skillset. Of course you can kill yourself on a 125, even a moped, if you get it wrong, but if you don't know what you're doing with the power of a 1ltr+ it would be more likely. I'm sure if you had given me a 200bhp bike when I was just starting riding, I like many of us would have let it rip on full throttle and ended up in so many situations I wasn't able to control or get out of at the time. Thankfully, that's why we have the restrictions we have now. I look back at when I started riding, with no instruction and the bike test was nothing but a joke back then and I wonder how I survived. I really think attitude, the willingness to learn and improve and experience which does built up our skills over time are the key. Attitude alone will only get you so far, but when you need a skill you haven't acquired or not enough of it, it can end badly. Having the right attitude won't get you out of target fixation for example. That is one thing you have to learn yourself over time, not to look at the target, but look at the escape route.

08/09/16 - Riding a motorcycle is very different compared to driving a car. The skills you need do take time to perfect, depending on how much you ride.
Riding a lower engine size allows you to focus on the basic skills, before you hit that first corner on a 1000cc motorcycle.

08/09/16 - I passed my test at 17 next day I was ridin a gs thou

            08/09/16 -  I did the 250 thing - passed my test, instantly had huge crash, several months in hospital. Got compensation, bought Z1000 Mk2, been on bikes since. Started on cars - my 250 was when I was 20. Cars first was the key over the years - many potential disasters have been averted because of road experience - common sense, even - my accident was not caused by my age or the size of the bike.

08/09/16 - All part of the plan to stop our youngsters finding the joy of motorcycling.

08/09/16 - Some 27, 37, 47, 57 etc year olds still shouldn't be allowed to ride unrestricted motorcycles!

          08/09/16 - The Sunday warriors up my way prove that point...

          08/09/16 - It's pretty much every night and weekend where I live. It's quite regularly carnage!

          11/09/16 -  Or drive cars

08/09/16 - Restriction should be raised higher. Restricted vehicles can be more dangerous than unrestricted. I recently rode a 33mph scooter on single-carriageway A5 (60mph limit). Cars flew past me at millimetres from my handlebars. Bl**dy dangerous! The only way to get them to give me a wide berth was to wobble side-to-side as if I couldn't ride. Anything that cannot cruise at 70mph is dangerous. On the other hand, no one should be allowed near a car until they prove they have ridden a motorcycle for at least 2 years (particularly in winter). It'll make them safer drivers.

          08/09/16 - Yip, compulsory CBT before getting car provisional would help raise awareness

          08/09/16 - Not sure about just the CBT. A year or two road riding would give much better bike awareness, I think.

            08/09/16 - Never liked that at all, 33mph might be OK for town driving but it's downright terrifying anywhere else and not having any power to get out of trouble is really scarey, even more bizarre when a decent push bike can go faster with no restrictions on age, skill or protection.

            08/09/16 - I agree, only way they should be able to get there hands on a car is by doing a few years on a bike

            09/09/16 - A minimum of 12 months riding a gutless scoot should be the Part1 of the car test for sure. Car drivers dont read the road like bikers do, We see so much more going on around us. Something only riding experience can give you.

          10/09/16 - Something that I have maintained for many years. For me when I started we rode bicycles to the letter of the law and the highway code, we had to. We learnt that wet manhole covers, wet leaves were like black ice, we had to stop at pedestrian crossings red lights, ride to the left and give hand signals. We learnt roadcraft, we had the Cycling Proficiency Test in schools. By time we got to motorcycles we had quite a broad knowledge and experience of road use. The engine meant we went faster with less effort. Our roadcraft was built on. Then when we progressed to cars we knew all the things about wet leaves, manhole covers, lingering frosts in dark areas under trees and the other lurking dangers because if we didn't previously we were going to feel pain. So yes, I agree, bike riders make better car drivers.

08/09/16 - I have to say the car drivers need the restricted horsepower

08/09/16 - No. But I think 15yo should be allowed 50cc scoot, and the engine/power restrictions should me made to apply to new car drivers.

08/09/16 - Yes it's b****x
You can ride or you can't end of
Some of us were riding when we were young
11yrs old me first time on road lol back in tha day 51 now still here and still ride the same flat out

08/09/16 - Lucy's a lucky girl because her parents are obviously wealthy. Most 17 year old kids (especially James) can't afford the insurance on anything bigger than a 1000cc car.
Age is not a good indicator of a persons driving/riding ability. Experience would be better. Difficult one to legislate on though.
We need to be mindful of all this creeping legislation, how long before some non-riding MP convinces Parliament that no motorcycle needs to be more powerul than, say, 33bhp?

08/09/16 - I think that any young/new driver/rider should be restricted on power output, for the first two or three years. Within reason of course. I have always thought that the 30mph restriction on mopeds is dangerous

          08/09/16 - Yes... But.i think young new car drivers should have similar licence restrictions

08/09/16 - On the Isle of Man, I have no problem with L plate (Looneys) but R plate (R-soles) in the main are over confident and drive or ride beyond their capabilities

          08/09/16 - Could not agree more...!!!

          08/09/16 - Lad from a wealthy family who I went to school with turned up on a Vincent Rapide with sidecar on his 16th birthday (about 1966).

08/09/16 - No I did my cbt at 28 passed test a few month later (no training bad idea I know) then rode a 33hp single. after 2 years moved to a 57hp twin. Even now with 5 years riding every day ice snow rain sun, I consider myself a novice. So yes I think it's a bad idea. I also think some bikes are far to powerful for the road (and cars). If you have a super bike on the road you are going to break the law.

08/09/16 - I past my test at 17 in 1986, as did a lot of my mates, we all went out and bought the biggest, best bikes we could afford, I sold my soul for a GSXR 750, guess what? We all survived, so did most people that did the same,f**king nanny state

08/09/16 - Give a spotty 17 year old a R1 or fireblade etc you may as well pre book a funeral plot

          08/09/16 - saying that two middle-aged men on harleys last night in front of me needed a few things explained about riding

08/09/16 - Definitely not, if they don't kill themselves they'll kill someone else

08/09/16 - The question should be, should 17yo be allowed to drive full power cars. Should do to car drivers, what they do to bikers

          09/09/16 - Too right. Young teens like to txt and play with their in car apps whilst they drive, Something bikers never do...that's the danger the 17 yr old and every other biker has to deal with. I once followed a woman in a volvo estate who was actually sewing a button to the cuff of the blowse she was wearing! I very nearly stuffed my truck into the rear of her when she jumped on the brakes as she nearly missed her turning!!!!

08/09/16 - Having a restricted licence is a pain. Limits what you can buy or even view or test ride. Can't hop on gumtree go see a 600 and test it as it's generally unrestricted. Most sub 400s tend to hold value unlike say the er6-n. Being relatively young we don't have a lot of money or a full time contract to get finance. I find it harsh as well I have to do mod 1 and 2 to upgrade instead of having it a couple of years and restriction lifts. As is mentioned about cars some young boys could go get an old Beamer and drift it n drive like a a@*e. Apparently that's ok but you have to be over 24 to ride what you want. I agree that it's advisory to start on a small bike not mandatory. That's unjust either that or limit 17 year olds to 1.2 cars then 1.4 at 19 1.6 at 21 then what you want at 24. Does that not sound fair? Sure most people on a restriction would agree with me.

08/09/16 - At the end of the day it should be down to personal choice. There's too many of us anyway. Teach people how to control vehicles properly (slides, wheelies, lock ups slid pans etc) before ever taking them on the road. Plus tests are not taking with friends egging u on, mobiles, stereos blasting or screaming kids in the car

08/09/16 - Car drivers are taught to pass a test, NOT tho drive on today's roads, The car test and associated training really need to be improved.

08/09/16 - A1 is a waste of time at least give them an incentive to train and test so say restriction on passing to 250cc

08/09/16 - Aye passed my test aged 17 34 years ago and bought a gsx 1100 still here to tell the story rode it like I stole it all the time.

08/09/16 - When i was 16 in the 60's u cud get a bike up to 250cc.with L plates on. once u had passed the test u cud get anything u wanted.

08/09/16 - I'm glad i had my bike test done before all them rules came in. Passed mine 10 years ago when i was 18 and jumped straight on a tl1000r.

            08/09/16 - The tests you took were a lot more difficult than the one (yes one) that I took to get my licence. Turn up at test centre aged 17 on a Honda C70 with L plates and ride round for 15 minutes while a bloke on foot darted through alleyways to watch you, answer a few questions on the Highway Code and that's it... licence to ride whatever you want for the rest of your life - no part 1 or anything else, just the road test and that's it. I know 2 guys who did this on a C70 and they're still alive and riding today. I had the good sense to use a borrowed Kawasaki KE100, but only because my 250 broke down on the morning of my test.

08/09/16 - NO! Pokemon generation need to mature ..in experience before letting them loose on high powered machines..were talking 'Ambition outweighing talent' not so much about age as gradually gaining roadcraft ..their and our lives depend on skill ...not kill!

08/09/16 - It's safer to keep the restrictions

08/09/16 - Hell no...A disaster waiting to happen..

08/09/16 - no never lol

08/09/16 - No way end of !!!!

08/09/16 - No. Don't be so f**king stupid.

08/09/16 - No restriction for anyone.

08/09/16 - I did when I passed my test at 17

08/09/16 - Definitely not.

08/09/16 - No!

08/09/16 - yes

08/09/16 - Restriction in itself does not work. An idiot riding a 125 is an idiot just as an idiot driving a car is. You can drive recklessly at 30mph and lets face it the mobile phone and other tech is a massive distraction. I do favour power/speed restrictions as power/speed can be seductive. But surely education is best, toughening up the test is good but you're trained how to pass that test, and that does not always make a good driver or rider. The attitude of 'I've passed my test therefore I'm a good driver' is false. Perhaps training, highway code etc should be done at school, perhaps as an extra subject to those considering driving/riding. And on another note, Policing on the roads is minimal which leads people to think they won't get caught so they flaunt the law. I travel the roads every day, 60miles everyday and I loose count of the amount of people using mobile phones. As for the Police, rarely seen unless there's an accident.

08/09/16 - They can drive unrestricted cars so why not ? - cars hurt/kill more pedestrians than bikes ever will....

08/09/16 - The trouble is with cars you're limited to fairly low powered vehicles by prohibitive insurance costs.
With bikes even a newly qualified rider can buy a sports bike for <£1500 that's faster than many supercars, but renders them more vulnerable and more at risk of life altering injuries if things go wrong. Insurance costs are also very low compared with cars meaning there's less to stop a youngster from doing something silly.
I think the A2 restricted route makes perfect sense. The restriction still leaves a wide range of very capable bikes of most styles and prevents the temptation to get on something ridiculous without proper experience, if anything it could be applied to motorcyclists of all ages.
I do disagree with having to retake the test to go from A2 to full license though, as it just adds more pointless expense when the test isn't any more or less challenging with a more powerful machine.
I did jump straight on a GSXR750 for my first 'big' bike (went straight to full squid. 😂) and don't regret it (rode it in all weathers and conditions all year round as my only vehicle for a couple of years) but I was in my mid twenties. 17 year old me would probably have been dead in a week.

          10/09/16 - Insurance is the biggest factor why someone wouldn't go out at 17 and jump on a sports bike. Trust me, I've been there. It's still a limiting factor when looking at buying a bike at that age

          10/09/16 - It's definitely high for bikes but it's completely mental for young car drivers. I know from recent experience at 25 where I went from paying under £500 a year (including my first year after DAS with no NCD) to ride a GSX-R every day to struggling to get a quote under £1000 a year on a total shed of a 1.3 Skoda Felicia which only cost me £300 to buy as a "cheap to run" first car - if I was 17 those car quotes could easily be half as much again or even more.
I'd rather have a power limit and less crazy insurance costs than have young bikers be totally priced off of the road by the insurance industry as many young car drivers are at the moment.

08/09/16 - When I bought my first bike I was told how to make it go and rode away from the shop on a 250 with no idea what I was doing you soon learn but training now is better so I see no need for the 125 restriction

          09/09/16 - Some 2 stroke 125 full power are faster than the 250s they replaced

08/09/16 - where we live they don't bother with the restrictions on new riders licence. in fact they don't bother with a licence. come to think of it they don't bother with helmets either......and they definitely don't bother with what size bike , they just pinch someone else's.

08/09/16 - Why not. Hell if they can legally drive a bugatti then why not an jnrestricted bike. Then again if were talking common sense would say they couldnt do either and need to gain experience

08/09/16 - A resounding YES! It`s nobody`s business but the individual how they choose to live and travel. I despise being judged and legislated against just because I choose to ride a motorcycle. Helmet laws too, a crock of sh**e!

08/09/16 - A1 is a waste of time at least give them an incentive to train and test so say restriction on passing to 250cc

08/09/16 - In a word, no. And there should be power/capacity restrictions for cars too.

08/09/16 - All that power on the hands of a 17 year old is a worrying thought and most are not mature to handle the responsibility

08/09/16 - Passed my test and kept my 125 for 2 years deliberately to increase my confidence

08/09/16 - A A2 licence is a good idea but the the 17 year old has to mature enough

08/09/16 - No -it'd be like giving babies grenades to play with.."Oh look, pretty pins to pull..."

08/09/16 - The average 17 year old should not be allowed out of the house without a responsible adult with them and a set of reins on like a toddler! So no, don't be daft enough to give them what is effectively a deadly weapon (both to themselves AND the general public) and let them loose on our roads!

          09/09/16 - A very close minded comment

          09/09/16 - No just 61 years of life experience. Plus, if you read my post you would have appreciated that I said "average", I did not do a global "all".

          09/09/16 - Teens in cars are much worse.

08/09/16 - The best thing to do is to ban motorcycles altogether that way nobody will be hurt or killed whilst riding them. Never let people decide for themselves when it comes to safety.

          08/09/16 - Yer ban cars and all else aswell

          09/09/16 - The best thing you can do is move to North Korea. They will love you there

          09/09/16 -  I was being ironic.

          10/09/16 - Dig up the roads and get the horse and carts back out, ban all powered vehicles

          10/09/16 - No you were being sarcastic. Please go back to school and learn the difference.

          11/09/16 - Cheers. There is a lack of definition Nazis on Facebook . Well done for boosting their numbers.(sarcasm)

08/09/16 - Part of me says No but at the end of the day they'll only kill themselves and less face facts we were all a**holes at 17 so maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing lmfao

08/09/16 - So the government think its ok for someone to get married at 16, have sex at 16, have a child at 16 and raise it alone, go out into the big wide world and live alone at 16, yet they can't ride a 125 motorcycle until they're 17. Once they reach 18 our government will quite happily supply them with a uniform and a fully automatic weapon and send them out to fight wars on their behalf, but they're still not allowed to ride a full power motorcycle at that age. At 18 years old any school leaver can sit their C+E driving test, which will allow them to drive 40 tone artics on the road, yet they can't ride a full power bike. Something tells me the government need to sit down and start setting one standard age at which people are regarded as being adult and do what they want without restrictions, because at the moment it's completely bloody screwed.

          09/09/16 - Yeah but they aren't allowed to smoke because that's really dangerous.

          09/09/16 - Very very well put loz. very excellent valid points there. just like if u kill someone & wud only get between 4 & 7 years in prison at the top side, yet if u fraud something ud be looking at 25 years inside, totally messed up criminal justice system we have in this country & mps are very much to blame for their political correctness bulls**t that needs throwing in the bin😈😈😈😈ps or like banning smoking in any building pubs offices exetra, yet its ok to sell alcohol to the public & then wen someone gets drunk goes & kicks someone elses head in or throws A brick through A window or smashes someones car up, but thats ok coz there the ones that made alcohol legal😈😈yet ull soon be arrested & put in front of A court if ur caught smoking in A building😈😈talk about fucked up laws in this country,if it wasn't so agitating & annoying to hell it wud be laughable😈😈

          09/09/16 - Spot on Loz. Its the same old story though, Bikers always get the rough end of the stick.

          09/09/16 - We aren't liked, because we aren't a majority like car driers, and the Govt. doesn't want to piss off car drivers incase they get voted out of power. So better to keep the majority happy

          09/09/16 - they can also drive any car they want at 17

          09/09/16 - Some real good points there, I've never looked at it from this point of view before. I've always been on the hedge.
My biggest gripe has been that everybody has to pass the same tests, regardless of what age they are, but an arbitrary number dictates what they can do after that.
On the other hand, it's fact that inexperienced riders/drivers are a lot higher risk for insurance companies. So it stands to reason that if we started letting 17 year olds go out and buy R1s, they become a greater risk. It means all of our insurance premiums would sky rocket. I went through the old system; when I was 16 I had a 50cc moped, 17 got a CG125, 18 I passed my test and had a 33bhp restriction for 2 years which automatically lifted at the end without another test. The time that I spent on the road and the staged power increases definitely made me a better rider and any mistakes that I would have made on my 33bhp restricted ZZR600 would have been easier to manage than my current Z1000! Just thought for food...

          10/09/16 - You have to be 21 to drive c+e!

          10/09/16 - ^^^ nope... 18

          10/09/16 - Technically you can join the forces at 16

          10/09/16 - the age restriction was lowered to help boost the haulage industry.

          10/09/16 - but you can't see active service until you're 18.

          10/09/16 - Love my bikes, but with the new superbikes being 200bhp plus or 1000bhp per tonne, letting someone who's just passed their test jump on an unrestricted bike, would be highly irresponsibe. I feel it would lead to a lot of fatalities and not help the image of bikers in general.

          10/09/16 - What everyone has to bear in mind is one huge factor when talking about 17 year olds buying or running modern superbikes... none of them can afford to insure them anyway. That in itself is a restriction, just not one forced on them by an idiotic government who can't decide at what age a person is deemed to be adult. When I was 17 back in 1979 insurance was as expensive in real terms as it is now, virtually none of my mates could afford to insure a 1000cc bike back then and it's no different now. There are precious few 17 year olds who can afford to get a licence now they've made it so difficult and costly, let alone buy a bike.

          10/09/16 - Have you seen how much it costs for a 17 year old to insure a 1.2L Corsa. If they can afford that, they can afford a bike.

          10/09/16 - A cheap 1000cc sports bike is still going to cost a damn sight more to buy and insure than a 2006 Corsa 1.2. Insurance companies are already fleecing the young riders with extortionate premiums on 25Kw restricted bikes, just think of the field day they'll have with unrestricted 1000s and 17/18 year olds

          11/09/16 - I joined the Marines at 16 in the UK.. not allowed a beer at the end of the day though because alcohol was for adults of 18 and I wasn't responsible enough to be allowed to drink.. haha

08/09/16 - If the 17 year old has ridden a 50 as a 16 year old and a geared 125 for a few thousand miles why not? It is more daft that someone 60-odd could take a das and be Road legal on a 1300cc just days after first sitting on a bike

08/09/16 - Motorbikes should be like cars in the way that your insurance limits you to what you can ride/drive ( like the old ways ). I have to do 3 bike tests to ride anything from a fizzy to a hyabusa!! Although I'm 16 and do ride a fizzy anyway!

08/09/16 - Australia has graded licences. The Graduated Licensing Scheme (GLS) requires new riders to pass through three licensing stages before obtaining an unrestricted rider licence. It involves training and testing which is specifically designed to help new riders gain basic riding skills before riding on the road. Before you even get a learners permit you have to attend a two day pre learner course. Then before you get your learners permit you still have to pass an eyesight test and knowledge test before you ever get near a road. LOL, then it gets complicated. Even after going through all the processes you can only ride a machine from the 'Approved List'.

          08/09/16 -  It is harder than that but it does help stop inexperienced riders of any age getting outside of their own abilities. Even more complicated for car drivers. Nighttime curfews, no mates in the car even after passing the first stage. All passengers have to be registered and limited. Zero alcohol level, speed limited. Even for full licence holders you can be left to walk home and hit with crippling fines for some offences. The Officer on the road has the power to revoke your licence and, as your number plates are owned by the state they will remove those as well. Not their problem if you are hundreds of miles from home. They don't impound vehicles, they just leave miscreants to find their own way home and get their vehicles home. They have 180+mph cars and they will line up 30 of them at the side of the road and blitz traffic. They have a Winnebago style mobile Police Station so that drivers can be fully processed there and then. To be fair, they also hit cyclists and pedestrians just as hard. They just don't mess.

          10/09/16 - but do they do it with young drivers? in UK has a simmilar scheme if your under 25 bike rider after passing your 125 test your restricted to 400cc till you sit another test for larger cc bikes. but at the same time a young driver in the UK can pass his test and if rich enough buy a ferrari and wipe him/herself out no advanced driving test required for drivers before they can drive cars over a 1ltr engine.so wheres the fairness?.

          10/09/16 - Most of my comment was about car drivers. The learning process is very tough for car drivers. Their accompanying driver, if not a registered instructor has to be registered and approved. They can start at 16 but not take a test until 17. They have to maintain a log book of everything they do and signed off by their registered person. They have to complete tasks witnessed by their registered person such as change a wheel, check their oil etc all has to be signed off by their registered person. Police cars have a speed check system that can check your speed from either direction when the Police car is stationary or moving. Approach from behind too quickly and you are gone. The officer can be parked up whatever.

08/09/16 - i think cars should be restricted too and all L Drivers should take a bike test before a car test ,then they will appreciate road conditions better.

08/09/16 - I had T110 at 16 when I passed my test

08/09/16 - Lol f**k no.

08/09/16 - 17 year olds should not be able to ride unrestricted motorcycles, but neither should they be able to drive unrestricted cars. Motorcyclist are vulnerable and to make things safer we need to look at riders and drivers. The lack of experience of both makes them a high risk. In a work place a risk assessment must take this into account, the same should apply on the road. I believe there is a case to simplify motorcycle licences, but then bring car licenses into line. The government knows that motorcycles are part of the solution to road congestion and parking problems, so we need a system which is safe and does not discourage their take up.

08/09/16 - No.

08/09/16 - Yes

08/09/16 - No.

08/09/16 - Nanny state. Let the people use their own judgement ffs.

08/09/16 - No

08/09/16 - No let them get the experience first

08/09/16 - 17 too young

08/09/16 - yeh if they're sick of life...

08/09/16 - They should, shit happens at 10mph and 110mph.

08/09/16 - We could ride unlimited from 16 and not having passed a test.

08/09/16 - No they will be killed

08/09/16 - Insurance cost will take care of that question in most cases.

08/09/16 - I was 19 when I pass my part 2 in 86 on Honda 80.. Then went home got got my z650 out.. so if you can ride one bike and live riding a big bike is no different as long as you take care.. my grandad always said to me it's not you.you need to look out for it other people on the roads who don't look...

08/09/16 - No , your average 17 year old nowadays is a f**ktard.

08/09/16 - I think not .... skill comes with experience

09/09/16 - Good grief, NO! Today's bikes are a totally different bag to what we had in the 60s...

09/09/16 - At 17 years of age I was riding a 500cc Triumph, ok low power compared with modern machines, one year later I owned and rode a Norton 750 Commando and now at 61 motorcycles are still my only transport. I feel sorry for youngsters today being lumbered with 50cc peds and gutless 125's, they struggle to keep up with modern traffic flow and twats in cars just push you into the gutter, how safe is that? A large engined machine doesn't always mean the rider is going to ride it like a nutter, if someone is a crap rider they will kill themselves on a 125 just as surely as they will on something more powerful. Words of wisdom passed on to me by a friend of my father on the day I collected my 250cc Suzuki on L plates at the age of 16.....remember, any bl**dy fool can open up a throttle, it's a clever bloke that knows when to shut it down.

09/09/16 - Majority of motorcycle accidents happen in a 30mph zone. It's got nothing to do with the power.. It's the maturity and road awareness! One day doing a CBT isn't enough training to be allowed on the road even on a scooter!! But saying that.. a 17 year old a big bike I'd just ridiculous.. They don't have any sense of danger at that age! New riders need to be educated more than anyone... Especially if they're young!

09/09/16 - They can jump into any type of car they want and be a potential killer of a motorcyclist

09/09/16 - No never

09/09/16 - No! Simpulls

09/09/16 -  I did

09/09/16 - No

09/09/16 - I know of 17 year old that drives an Audi R8

09/09/16 - whatever the bike licence restrictions are, make equivalent restrictions for cars and for all ages. At least then it's fair. Just because you're 30 years old doesn't mean you automatically have bike skills.

09/09/16 - Allow 14 year olds 50cc bikes, this will at least make them better car drivers, in my early years, cost of insurance ruled what size bike you could ride!

09/09/16 - Nope.if the 17 year old needs speed and acceleration, a powerful car is an option, let legislation sort that.

09/09/16 - make mopeds 125 cc restrict them to 35 mph get rid of 50s

09/09/16 - No and neither should car drivers. Car drivers should be restricted to a bog std 1,000cc car till 21 then a re test for bigger cars

09/09/16 - Like many others on here, I'm getting on a bit, I learned to ride with the rac/acu training scheme, I started on a Honda 50 because it was all I could afford, but all my mates had 250s, 175s and 200s and used to lend bikes to their mates. Even the humble Honda 50 used to do 40 mph/ 45 downhill, and like other comments the only one who is dead had a heart attack at work.

09/09/16 - If I'd had an unrestricted bike at 17, I doubt I would be here writing this now.

09/09/16 - Not going to get involved in the argument but I think yes

09/09/16 - 16 in the Isle of Man

09/09/16 - No.....

09/09/16 - It doesn't matter which way you look at it the government have set the benchmark to reap the profits from the riding schools that's why they won't allow it I think there corrupt but that's my thoughts on it

09/09/16 - My granddaughter is nearly 16 and just about to go on the road with her restricted moped. How can it be safe for her to ride on roads when all she can do is 30mph? Other motorists are going to be cursing her and passing by any means possible. No unreasonable restrictions on bikes.

09/09/16 - No. If I'd had an unrestricted bike at 17 I'd be dead.

09/09/16 - How about let 17s ride unrestricted motorbikes if they gone through advanced riding training only? Makes more sense that postponing inevitable disaster.

09/09/16 - I owned a 1100gpz at 19 and prior to that a xs750 joke of it is I actually own a smaller capacity bike now. Fact is any bike or vehicle can land you in trouble if in the wrong hands regardless of age. That said look at what youngsters achieve on racetracks!

09/09/16 - Should a 17 year old little rich kid drive a supercar ?

09/09/16 - No. I have a 16 yr old, and I've been riding bikes for 30 years

09/09/16 - A 17 year old can drive any car no restrictions so why do young biker have to jump through hoops to get a full licence anti biker government that's why

09/09/16 - The Isle of man have an 'R' plate system where all new drivers/riders are restricted to max 50mph for 2 years after their test

          10/09/16 - It's only 1 year

          10/09/16 - It's still more equal than the system in UK

          11/09/16 - Northern Ireland have it too. Its 45mph for one year. Two years would be unnecessary imo.

09/09/16 - Have you seen most kids under 20 on bycicles, NO ROAD SENCE, NO.

09/09/16 - No.

09/09/16 - The difference is if you have a crash in a car you have seat belts, air bag, roll cage, crumple zones and a big metal box around you. If you crash on a bike you're f**ked. Look back to the early 80s when you could get a 250 straight off the bat. Tons of teens dead every year. Now with a graded licence system not so much.

09/09/16 - A graded license system is ideal. The current UK/IRL setup is far from perfect. A person should be allowed move up in power/cc's according to their experience. I don't know a fair way to implement that, but I am glad I wasn't allowed to jump on my current 600cc+ bikes straight away back when I started biking!

09/09/16 - With proper driver training skills and an introductory period to help young drivers become accustomed to a machine it would help them be safe. But unfortunately it's not just a motorcycle rider that causes a lot of issues with fatal or life changing injuries to motorcycles. It's other road users are a big contributory factor towards motorbike fatal or serious injury crashes. All road users require education and training to be aware of the road and taught to have better judgement

09/09/16 - I think if you're an idiot then you're going to be an idiot for a long while.
Some can ride really well at speed or in town traffic some can't.
Don't think bikers are discriminated against today like we were in the 70's.
I'll go for yes let them ride unrestricted because the restricted bikes are so slow that they're dangerous.

09/09/16 - I'm a 17 year old, I have been riding motorcycles since I was 5, off road I'm still riding but on road I've been riding just over a year, I had my 50cc and now I'm on a 125cc. I work as an apprentice at a Honda dealership where there is also a training school and over hear a lot of the conversations that are said to explain to people (a lot of these people are older and 'have been using the roads for 10-15-20 plus years' but yet are still arguing that the right hand lane is used to go straight over on a standard roundabout) this is just one example out so so many. Yes my commuter does the job day to day but frankly the country roads or highway I have to use to get to work have my bike absolutely pinned and is potentially causing damage as it's going through this vicious ride every day. Yes you could say go slower then but that's a danger on a highway doing what 50? Cars come flying past me when I'm doing the correct speed limit let alone 50mph. I feel like there should be some sort of restriction to stop people hurting themselves left right and centre, maybe something like a 3 day course where you go training on first a 125, then an a2 equivalent and then a full power bike, moving up each bike if the trainers believe you are safe/skilled enough too. I don't want to big myself up but I can ride a bike and have skill on a bike, a lot more than some of these older people who had a license not rode for years then can jump straight back on a full power 180mph bike or even worse someone 24 who's never rode a day before they start their training!

09/09/16 - Insurance on bikes makes no sense nowadays , a geared 4 stroke yamaha wr125 r can do 70 / 75 mph tops but for my son 18 ( 2 years no claims insurance third party only is 800 pounds approx , yet his 2 stroke gilera runner sp 125 twist an go can easily hit 85 / 95 mph and costs 450 to insure , the sp is more knicked by kids as well and more crashed !
It seems that insurance company don't like geared bikes and favour twist and go peds !!
The same difference in pricing is found on all geared bikes when compared to twist and gos Madness !!

09/09/16 - If u pass your test and show your competent, the insurance companies can weigh up the risks. As others have most likely said, you can create a life at that age, serve your country...can u vote at 16 now? I like the CBT, didn't have it when I started, however...scrap it and just have the main test, if u pass it you can ride a bike...whatever u can afford to buy/insure.

09/09/16 - ALL new riders should be restricted for a year. 12-18 hours is not enough time to prepare anyone for the power of a superbike. I passed my test at 17 and went and bought a restricted yammy diversuon 600. Granted I took the restrictors out after 6 months but the max power output was only 60bhp! I have no doubt that if I passed my test at 17 and went straight from a 50cc scooter to a Hayabusa, I would probably have been dead inside an hour!

09/09/16 - I was driving a 650 Triumph Saint on my Manx provisional, back in the 80s, no CBT you learnt quick, there were young people having accidents but you think you're immune, as a parent now I'm glad to see restrictions, CBT 125cc for learning, makes sense.

09/09/16 - I don't think 17 year olds should have unrestricted access, but now they are pretty much all on four strokes perhaps the learner limit can go back to 250cc? There are plenty of cases where a 125 is just a bit too slow to be safe, but I can't imagine a 250 with around 30bhp would be too taxing for a learner.

09/09/16 - No defiantly not not at all stats say you don't have all functions to think quickly until your 25 I also think the car licence should be 25. My children totally disagree with me but having lost my brother at 17 on a 125 motorbike through no fault at all of his restrictions should be put into place my parents campaigned for a bike test it started as star rider and is now the cbt so good work I think even tho it's a pain we need to do it even at 47 and been driving for years but safety is best sorry for rant and thank you x

09/09/16 - No. Unless they have a special skills test. Much too powerful these days. On a track yes go for it. It will save lives, possibly yours. Sorry kids.

09/09/16 - Lol..if you wanna let Em die.. You know what they call motorbikes in the western general head injury in Edinburgh.... Organ donor machines

09/09/16 - We could also drive three wheelers at 16 on L plates and no accompanying driver. There was their popularity.

09/09/16 - The uk vehicle laws are just plain stupid and need updating . Just look at the 3 wheel motorbike mess up, a car driver cannot ride a 125cc one on his car licence without a cbt and l plates but can ride a 500 cc one without any prior experience ,or l plates apparently its to do with the width of the bike not its power !!
Same as a car driver can jump on a 50 cc with no l plates required and carry a passenger with no cbt or prior experience of riding a motorbike , The more you delve into the more you realise how stupid the laws are!!

09/09/16 - They want to look at stupid car driver rules first

09/09/16 - No... Too many t**ts at that age.

09/09/16 - Complete no.

09/09/16 - car drives with their eyes closed are by far the most dangerous thing on the road, everyone should have to ride a motorcycle for 1 full year before taking car test, I'm pretty sure this would make motorcycling a lot safer, by the way i rode a bike from 17 had to give it up due to a blind car driver

09/09/16 - No. They're daft enough in cars. Not responsible enough at 17.

09/09/16 -  The government? Collectively C**TS!

09/09/16 - You have to be 24 to have a full powered bike over 600cc in Ireland

09/09/16 - Should have to pass extra test You can drive any car at17 that will do over 200 miles an hour

09/09/16 - Yes

09/09/16 - no!!

09/09/16 - Yes they should and many of us did in our day. Passed test very quick after 17th birthday and went straight to a Suzuki GT750. Commuted into London daily on it for years and am still here and have ridden and owned bikes all my life. As we get older we get more wary and appreciate risk although there are exceptions.
Those early bikes had rubbish tyres and brakes in the wet; flexi frames at speed and we had no cheap protective gear like now.
Now we limit kids on mopeds to 30mph which puts them at serious risk from impatient and low skilled car drivers. It also stops the kids acquiring better skills.
I would change the whole system and make it part of education. Start with cycling proficiency, then mopeds, then motorcycles and lastly cars. Make moving up reliant on attending their lessons and behaving well. Only then might we bring back courtesy and tolerance in car driving plus appreciation for those more vulnerable.
Being a cynic, I think the current complexity is a deliberate way to stop kids taking up motorcycling so that the numbers on 2 wheels decline to a level where they can be banned outright. Go to any bike night and see how few kids have taken up motorcycling. Meanwhile it seems like the industry is doing nothing to promote bikes. Why do they not put ads on mainstream TV and Facebook showing kids on bikes and encouraging starter training.

09/09/16 - My personal opinion is a NO.
I have been riding bikes since 1981 when I turned 16 and was privileged to be able to experience the unrestricted 50cc before moving onto a 16bhp 125cc. The licence laws had changed to the two part test before I was able to sit mine, but I went onto a 250cc for a few months before I bought my 750cc and I have never looked back. It has been a great experience over the years having owned so many different makes and sizes of bikes but the one thing that sticks is, don’t try and out perform something that can outperform you, the bike will always be quicker than what you can react to. The largest cc machine I Owned was an 1100 Kawasaki GPz., fast back then but slow to today’s standards seeing as the two 600’s I have now are faster and lighter than it.
I think the current 125’s are way too slow, my son has a Chinese 125 and its lucky if it hits 60mph on a good day, not fast enough to keep up with traffic on his daily commute on the duel carriage way so therefore a dangerous position to be in with the amount of other idiots on the road driving cars which are unrestricted.
The gap needs to be bridged with something in between that can perform but is say limited to a max of approx 80-90mph depending on HP. The licensing and test laws need to be reviewed also as this is nothing more than a money making program for the government and that’s all they are interested in along with the statistics.
Training and experience will keep you alive as long as you can keep out the idiot’s way. It’s not always possible as I have experienced but have always had luck on my side.
As for car drivers, they need to be hit with a restriction other than the 6 point rule. A max BHP or CC should be applied to all new drivers.
That’s my two pence worth.

09/09/16 - What has not been taken into account is the new 4 stroke bikes of lower cc ie up to 125cc lack speed or power when compared to two stroke equivalents , some 125cc can barely reach 50 mph , and that's on a flat road , the 4 stroke mopeds are even more dangerous , A rear end shunt from an impatient car , bus , even milk float is a real danger and possibility , A lack of any government input or a solution to the issue leads many people to illegally fit larger engines / bore up kits to their bikes , so they are not a danger/ obstruction to other road users , Something needs to done , be it a max speed law rather than an engine size/ power restriction Preferably sooner rather than later !!

09/09/16 - Yep

09/09/16 - NO

09/09/16 - Why not ? They flew Spitfires in combat in WW 2 !

09/09/16 - Nope they should keep it how it is and change cars to a similar system

09/09/16 - No ain't got the brains or the skill !!!!! Most of them then

10/09/16 - Considering you can buy any car you want at 17 (providing you can get insurance) then it should be the same the motorcyclists, I was lucky enough to pass my MOD 1&2 before they changed it so I was allowed an unrestricted bike legally at 19

10/09/16 - I ride a fireblade. My son was an excellent trials rider as a junior but I still think the idea of an age limit is a must. At least 21 for unrestricted. I have lost a few friends on large bikes. Gain experience first!!

10/09/16 - If they pass test they should be able to ride bike unrestricted just like if you pass car test you can drive any car

10/09/16 - Definitely not.

10/09/16 - It's just a money making scam you should be able to ride anything when you're 17 maybe some bikes should be restricted to 33bhp for a year! But not all them tests to do its just a load of sh*te just doing the same stuff over again on a different bike. The only answer is get your test soon big son

          10/09/16 - I'll get it done don't worry about that mate

10/09/16 - No

10/09/16 - Yes

10/09/16 - No

10/09/16 - no

10/09/16 - Yes, just like they can drive a car unrestricted

10/09/16 - Yes. If a 17 yr old can get into a high power car after passing their test then so should they be able to on a bike.

10/09/16 - With the right training yes. If you can be 17 and use a Lamborghini, you should be able to use what bike you chose.

10/09/16 - nop

10/09/16 - both cars and bikes should have some sort of license progression

10/09/16 - No they shouldn't not when a modern bike is capable of doing over a 100 mph. They should have to use a small bike for 12 months to get some experience as a small bike is capable of breaking any speed limit in the UK. If you think I'm a kill joy well I would rather be a kill joy than to see people killed on the roads and my insurance going sky high. Hope and by the way I DO RIDE A MOTORBIKE ( I have 5 of them all on the road)

10/09/16 - Unrestricted 125 cc yes !! Lol
You have to start small.
If I had an r1 at 17 ,I wouldn't be here today to write this comment.

10/09/16 - The single biggest problem is that they specify 125cc not got a problem with the 15bhp learner limit just the capacity as It means youngsters can't ride classics like the bsa d7 or james captain because they are 175 or 200 cc even though they only make 7bhp and top out at 55-60mph

          10/09/16 - They could always use a bsa bantam 125

          10/09/16 - Not at the price they are now lol :-) a nice d1 is upwards of 1800 quid now a d7 can be had for 800 quid

10/09/16 - Absolutely not, looking back I'm glad I was forced to learn on a 125 and not just me but so many others I have seen and I still do see the idiot youngens

10/09/16 - I think a larger bike is more stable and if they did the training then why not

10/09/16 - The thieving scrotes round here are under 17 and they ride big bikes, only they don't own them

10/09/16 - YES... Technically speaking if they're riding within the law then top speed and handling on any vehicle should be fairly irrelevant, the only difference being the ability to accelerate. If someone is going to ride like an idiot then it makes no difference if it a 125 or a 1000. Where's the restrictions for all the pissed up chavs flipping their hatchbacks and killing their mates?

10/09/16 - Allowing immature, inexperienced riders to jump straight on a 200bhp superbike is absolutely idiotic. Level headed Riders with 20 years experience on the road struggle to tame them

10/09/16 - If they clearly demonstrated an ability to handle a bigger bike and I don't just mean riding in a straight line on a motorway. I mean a week long test to ascertain whether or not they can truly handle a litre class sports bike in all weathers.
Because if you give an R1 or a Gixxer a handful in dodgy weather then you are going to get hurt and your bike is going to get wrecked.
Buf if you tick all the right boxes then I see no reason why you should not be allowed to get a big bike at 17.
The reality though is the insurance companies won't touch you or if they do you will be charged 1000's of pounds.

10/09/16 -  I'm going to pass my driving test at 17 and go and drive over up to three tons of metal killing machine but don't let me ride a light weight motorbike thing the law needs to look at car driving rules and regulations as opposed to the to the bike ones

10/09/16 - i grew up in the days of 250 being the max size for a learner. my parents wouldn't let me have anything bigger than a 100 for my first bike and insisted I take and pass the RAC ACU course and test which at the time was a similar standard to the car test. The actual bike test at the time was a joke. I got into plenty of trouble at 17 if I had got my hands on a LC 250 at the time I would have probably killed myself. Comparing bikes to cars is pointless the bang for your buck is completely different. A cheap sports 600 is stupidly fast they need to be ridden responsibly and who is going to be responsible at 17? Unrestricted access is a crazy idea. P.S I'm 52 and still riding!

          10/09/16 - I was responsible at 17. But that's probably why I passed my test within 3 months and after 5 years of riding and clocking up over 120k, I am still riding today. Hell, I had a ZX9 at 19 and that didn't hurt me

          10/09/16 - there is always an exception that proves the rule

10/09/16 - with the exception of a couple of 125s most cant reach the speed limit for dual carriageways(70mph in the UK). and can be at best a hinderance at worst dangerous because they don't have the power to get out of trouble.this is why in the UK the entry level bike should be a 250cc motorbikes as their only 25-30mph faster than 125s and are more useful in dual carriageway riding.

10/09/16 - No, I think you should start small and build up. I am sorry if anybody disagrees but I started on a 50 at 16 then 125 at 17 400 at 18 and 600 at 19 I am now 31 with years of experience but feel that going through the stages made me a better rider that is more aware of other road users I wouldn't want any of my kids to be able to jump straight on a big bike although I would love them to ride bikes!

10/09/16 - No

10/09/16 - This is just my opinion, but I'm 21 years old. I've had a uk licence since 18. I also have HGV (C + E). I have some experience riding. I've never had any points or been charged with any driving offences. In my opinion I should be aloud to ride something bigger than 46BHP

10/09/16 - I agree with the restriction at first, but having to take 3 motorcycle tests is ridiculous, just another way for the government to make money. An A2 licence, once obtained, should upgrade automatically to a full licence as it did before, rather then charging people another £100+ to ride essentially the same bike

10/09/16 - no but a 250 or something that's capable of acceleration under any conditions should be a minimum. the small bikes just teach kids to ride full throttle everywhere there's nothing to manage or learn proper bike skills from. at least with more power comes more respect.

10/09/16 -  i have ridden bikes for a lot of years and believe experience is everything,no i don't think a 17yr old should be unrestricted, however i think the Mod1 and Mod 2 are too hard if you cannot ride a big bike when you leave the school after lessons

10/09/16 - I think they should do restriction the way they did it when I passed, 2 years at 33hp (or 47) and then it automatically removes itself
Seen so many people putting off their test until they are 24 and then lumping the CBT and full test in one!

11/09/16 - My 5p worth - I think ALL drivers should at-least do there CBT first before driving a car etc, so they know what bikers are up against and know where they should look before setting off. I had a GPZ 750 for my first bike, was it too fast - yes, did it scare me - yes but i liked the big bike feel and for safety ( big bike be seen ). I dont think there should be a restriction but i do think the government SHOULD put in a ban on wearing non bike clothing like shorts and t shirts... My rule would be - Leathers or equivalent all the time, safety comes first.. if you dont you will be band.... ride like an idiot you get all that comes to you so yes to 17's as long as long as you abide by the rules.

          11/09/16 -  In that case I think all bike and car drivers should have to do hgv lessons too, then they would know what truck drivers are up against!!!

          11/09/16 -  I think it should be all incorporated in the awareness course of both sides.

11/09/16 - When i was 17 14 years ago i passed my test and was riding a aprilia rs250 full power ;-) it opened my eyes and made me respect myself and my surroundings as well as other road users. I can't see why other young lads can't do the same. But i strongly urge 17/18 year olds NOT to buy an R1 just coz thy can. U will wrap it round a tree. I was on the roads for 6 years b4 my first 1000 bike, which was a 98 vtr firestorm and that was plenty quick enough and wheelies were a breeze

10/09/16 - no chance. at 17 myself i would have rode like an idiot. had over 45 bikes now and the older I got the less speed appealed but the openness of the bike is the freshest part of it

10/09/16 -  L plates and 250 limit then when passed test make it compulsory to do so many hours training on bigger more powerfull bikes to see how they handle and how to control them then there free to ride what they want .

10/09/16 - Learn the safe way.walk b4 u run..n enjoy a long biking life

10/09/16 - Forget the restrictions what about the f**king prices? , 600 quid for a mod 1 and 2, sort it out!

11/09/16 - All vehicles should have graduated licensing, not just bikes.
17 years of age riding a 200bhp monster as a first bike is a sure fire way to kill kids and get bikes banned.
Yes, a 25 year old can jump on the same bike with no experience but those of us who are adults know that there's a huge difference between 17 and 25... That said, I'd happily see graduated licensing at all ages.
There's a reason the accident figures on two wheels and four are disproportionately weighted towards youngsters, particularly young men.

11/09/16 - Definitely not, we used to have close on 30bhp machines back in the late 60s early 70s and used to get in all sorts of trouble with them, hence the 125 12bhp law introduced which in my opinion was over the top, 20bhp would have been sufficient, but to let an relatively inexperienced rider loose on a 100 to 130bhp bike capable of 0-100 in around 10 sec and a top speed of @150 would be virtual genocide, just think back to when we were 17, egged on by your mates, on similar bikes, as Mr Cowell would say, I'm sorry, it's a no from me I don't think you're ready yet come back in a couple of years.

11/09/16 -  I think that all motorcycle riders should drive a car for a few years first just to get some road sense and just see the dangers that riders face.

11/09/16 - If you can join the army at 17 you should be able to ride any bike want.

11/09/16 - Yes if they don't want many 18 year olds, cheaper than a cull I guess

11/09/16 - Training and experience definitely helps but it won't save you. Every riders ticket is marked

11/09/16 - You should be restricted for a year from you pass ur test no matter what age u are. Basically same as it used to be but for one year instead of two lol. Letting older people who are just as inexperienced away with no restriction is dumb.

11/09/16 - No

11/09/16 - I was happy enough with the 33bhp licencing system. I got a 125 at 18, passed my test just before my 19th birthday, got a 33bhp 250cc for two years and then when that was up got my first 600. Not everyone will agree but the time I spent on the 250 helped me learn the appropriate skills for when s*** hits the proverbial (which it most likely will at some point, possibly through no fault of your own)

11/09/16 - The fact is most youngsters can't afford fast cars as they cost too much and so does the insurance. Fast motorcycles however can be bought and insured a bit cheaper. The law at present is too restrictive and confusing so for both vehicles all new drivers should be restricted in terms of engine size and power output. After they pass their test they should have to ride/drive for two years before they can go unlimited. This two year period should be two years riding/driving time not just a two year period from passing their test. Another idea is that all new drivers have to have trackers fitted for a year or two. Controversial I know but it might calm them down whilst they learn if they can be pulled up for reckless driving and made to retake their test.

05/10/16 - All vehicle drivers should take a CBT on any moped/motorcycle up to 125cc before they can apply for any vehicle test to gain a licence. That way all vehicle driver/riders would have a lot more understanding and respect for other road users.

05/10/16 - Definitely no! When I think back to my youth, I blanch with embarrassment at what I got up to (I was a messenger in London in  the 70's on bikes half as powerful as today) and I'm sure young bikers today are no different. For their own safety and that of others, keep the present system.

05/10/16 - Motorcyclists have to undergo one of the most stringent driving examination processes in the world, of course once they have shown the neccessary skill and inteligence to pass that they should be allowed to continue enjoying their chosen method of transport safely. No matter what age the test is taken at if they`re capable of riding a motorcycle- they are capable of riding a motorcycle!  On the roads populated by 17 plus car drivers who who have not undergone as stringent a test! thats ludicrous.

05/10/16 - In two words HELL NO, but they should make all new car users take a motorcycle course CBT
Then they would understand what we have to go through?

05/10/16 - I never agreed with 125 law a restriction on 250 power would've been sufficient. Training is a whole other issue as an instructor I know you can't make someone truly competent In one day CBT needs to be tougher or done away with so riders like drivers must pass a test. To compensate id allow 14 year olds ride 50s restricted to 40 mph enough to be safe in urban areas and allow CBT at 16 if rider could show genuine capability 125s should only be restricted to 80 so making dual carriageway use safe or allow restricted bikes up to 300 cc so riders can get used to weight and have benefit of better handling brakes etc of extra torque available. There must be some benefit of taking test at 17 or why would kids bother taking test and hence further training this law just puts lives in danger. A minimum of 25 bhp after taking test is needed for teens to see some benefit. Sadly those making laws never talk to those who actually ride and teach others so they make stupid laws so they look good. Cars are different so I can accept different rules cost keeps most new drivers away from truly fast cars daylight insurance and black box tech also helps some of this could be applied to bikes I'm sure. Bikers are by nature mostly speed freaks and rebels I'm in my late 50s and still am I only survived early on by luck and lost many friends so I truly see the benafit of compulsory training and some restrictions but the present system is expensive doesn't save the most vulnerable encourage early training and is not even simple to police. I like many can and do ride friends bikes so police can't know if rider is correctly qualified without stopping and checking most don't know the rules anyway that's first hand from a traffic officer I hope this inspires someone somewhere to make positive changes to this ridiculous set of rules

05/10/16 - As a Rider and driver for 50 years, yes I started on a 650 BSA sidecar outfit, it surely isn't only age that riders have accidents but lack of road miles, you can be an idiot at any age, agreed that the younger the more likely but good training and the gaining of road skills should allow you to go up a stage in power or cc. prove you have done this followed by an assessment not a test then I feel sure we will all be safer, it must apply to car drivers the same as bike riders, no passengers on both cars and bikes and a jammer to immobilize phones on all vehicles until the engine is switched off.  

05/10/16 - No they should not.
   I learned to ride in 1960 on a 250 BSA that had less power than modern 125’s, okay the brakes were not as good, but there were only c 3million vehicles using UK roads- not 36million ,speeds were slower, drivers had less distraction inside and outside their cars.
    I was no less rash than a 2016 teenager and  made mistakes on this and bigger but still low power machines but survived them on the then (relatively) empty and uncluttered roads, and over the decades learned not only the motorcycling skills but also learned the importance of the correct riding attitude. This takes time.
  What should change though, compulsory professional training of car driving, just as with bikes, and  the placing of restrictions on power and passenger carrying for below 21’s in cars, a 6th Form schoolboy(!) may be 18 and if Daddy  gives the dosh for the insurance could be driving a very, very quick small car and total not only himself, but also 3 others with the rashness of youth.
   Today’s roads are often frantic and car drivers have many more pressures and distractions in their vehicles

05/10/16 - I used to work as a prison officer, I have seen so many 17 – 21 year olds come through the system because they thought they could control a car like a Subaru and ended up being chased by the police, or killing someone, they do not have the first idea how to control a super-fast car and that has 4 wheels, I have also seen the same age range on 2 wheels up to the restrictions in force at this time, some have killed people, some have seriously injured other people, give them access to higher powered bikes and it will be a blood bath.
I agree with the restrictions in place, they do not have the mental capacity to drive an unrestricted motorbike, without showing off and killing themselves or other people.
I have a full motorbike licence and are stunned by the stupidity of kids who think they can ride a moped, I have even had to stop to assist at an accident, one where the kid died having hit a lamp post cos he could not control the bike at the stupid speed he was doing
Ask his parents if they should have access to unrestricted motorbikes
I think the restrictions should include cars

05/10/16 - Hi  , I’ve been riding Motor Bikes ( and from 16-17 an AP 50 moped{tuned!!!! Of course.}) for  40 Years. I have a car , PCV & LGV license as well  and have been a blue light driver ( in 10 Tonne vehicles and others).. I’ve owned and ridden motorbikes without a break since I was sixteen. I fully support the graduated testing scheme for Motorbike licenses , based on  my experiences and observations  as a kid and since. I think there should be a similar  scheme in place for new drivers , maybe not  lots of retests , but an age limit on the BHP of cars they are allowed to drive .
We have 18 year old  Saudi’s “driving” Lamborghini’s, Ferrari’s for example in central London. Nah I’m all for a clampdown . If they want to do it on the racetrack No problem. Public roads ? let’s bring Cars into line with Motorbikes .

05/10/16 - No they should not, remembering the show off stupid stuff which I did at that age, it is lucky that I did not become a statistic. Personally I would raise the age of driving both bikes and cars by at least two years, I also think that all privately owned motor vehicles should have a maximum horsepower, It is ridiculous that manufactures have cart blanch in manufacturing machines both two and four wheels capable of traveling at three times the national speed limit. I suggest that all private vehicles  be fitted with Sat Navs that can not be tampered with that limit the speed of the vehicle to the roads and areas that they travel in. Then the roads would be safer places to travel on.  

05/10/16 - The thought of 'Lucy' acquiring an Aston Martin DB11 which does 0-62 in 3.9 seconds is terrifying. When I passed my test in 1982 (yeah I went to school with Methusala) you could pass your test on a 250 and go straight to a GS1000. A lot of people did and killed themselves. Look how many 17-21 year olds have an accident in the first year of driving. They should be made to display P plates and be limited to a sensible bhp figure such as 75 bhp. This would ensure the survival of more young drivers and hopefully reduce insurance premium.
In your teens you think you'll live forever but unforunately you don't have the skills or the commonsense to ensure you'll make it to your twenties.

05/10/16 - I am 53 (just).
My first road bike in 1981 was a four stroke 250 that could just about kept up with HGV’s on dual carriageways and could just top the national speed limit on the same roads. I travelled 250 miles most weekends, summer and winter, it was reliable, economical and just enough fun. It gave me independence and a learning opportunity. It was a good stepping stone onto larger bikes after learning my road craft (no formal training between L Plates and a full license)…..
I now have three children and my wife who all ride and have benefitted from the formal training systems and license limitations that exist today.
I own too many bikes but amongst them are four 125’s that have previously been owned by my children. All are under powered on A roads and dual carriageways, so much so that I felt they were potentially dangerous as “learner” machines. The oldest (and smallest) pre restrictions 125 makes 16.5 Bhp, is the most engaging and capable but is still borderline “capable” on faster roads. A 20 year old 234cc engine in a 125 frame rides well, is no faster, is just as economical but has just that little bit more power and torque to keep you out of trouble.
An upper limit of 25Bhp/250cc would provide a more capable (safer), yet reliable and economical “first” machine. Further training and a simple riding retest at 50Bhp/500cc would be good second step. Training is key. 12 months should be enough time to consolidate learning and develop road craft/defensive riding techniques.
If people in cars are not killing themselves or others in enough numbers to worry about, leave them alone except where they cause accident or injury to pedestrians, cyclists or motorcyclists. Where a new driver (or rider) causes injury to others or is otherwise assessed to be an unsafe road user (dash cam evidence) they should be banned for a minimum 24 months.
I still own “big” bikes but I have more fun day to day on 125’s, 250’s and 400’s at sub ban speeds than I do on the 100 BHP+ machines. Perhaps I should discount my own ideas as I also drive a Diesel Volvo estate?

05/10/16 - I think that young riders should be limited to bike size and bhp until older....I have been riding since I was 12 yrs old and I remember what I was like when I passed my part 2 at 18 !!! I still cringe at the way some bikers ride and their lack of protection. ...summer time saw a lad riding an R1 through my village in shorts ,  tee shirt ,  trainers and no gloves !! So I recon there should be more training and limits.....not less. Car drivers should have a bhp limit too until they have got more experience and road sense ! I'm not anti speed or anti youngsters but generally riding skills that I see on our roads is getting worse and gives the rest of us a bad name.

05/10/16 - The simple and sane answer is NO. It should also be impossible/unlawful for any newly test passed individual under the age of 21 to drive anything of high power, cars included, until a suitable period (say 2 years)has elapsed during which time some experience and road craft has been obtained, not to mention a clean driving (or riding) record..

05/10/16 - I don't think it's as simple as yes/no. I don't believe the current system is fair or right for new riders. The old system I think was far fairer. But I am a believer that size of bike is irrelative. And believe it's down to the rider to have respect and  restraint of their machine.

05/10/16 - The law seems to assume that all seventeen year olds, regardless of experience (and I admit that Scott Redding at 16 was a better rider than me at 45) are incapable of assessing danger, showing self control and practicing road craft (despite having passed tests to prove that they do possess those factors) if, and only if they are riding a vehicle which is inherently less able to cause multiple deaths either in a car it may be in collision with, or to passengers on the vehicle itself (pretty much limited to the one).
Can't work that out. And at 18 you are allowed to vote, in fact you gain full legal adult responsibility for your actions in the eyes of the law. Unless you are wanting to ride a motorcycle on the road, in which case you are considered too immature, again, regardless of how many years experience you have, professional success, or ability.
Instead the government seems to think it better for novice riders (of up to 7 years experience!) should be restricted to machines where to keep up with traffic you have to rev it hard in every gear, and try to keep as much momentum through every corner as possible.
In other words, you create an habitual thrasher, fixated on extracting as much power as possible in every ride.
Way to go DSA.
The policy of a civil service that thinks The Wild Ones and Quadraphenia are documentaries.
Good grief.
By the way, I'm an ex instructor, member of RoSPA, and ex IAM member.

05/10/16 - So my name is Craig and I've been a biker since I was 16 years old... I started out on a 125cc Yamaha SR that could do 100mph, granted down a hill with the wind on my back but after a few scrapes and some bumps and scars I'm still here.
Now days I'm 32 and riding a Kawasaki ZZR600 E4 that I got for a steal at £900 with only 18,000 miles on the clock.
But looking back I'd say a 125cc motorbike or less, is MORE dangerous than riding a bigger bike when your just trying to go to college or work and back. There is not enough power to keep up on dual carriageways and overtaking a bus is a joke to be fair.
So I think the CBT should cover up to 250cc as that gives the rider space to grow and learn, whilst not giving too much power, that when you do have a wreck you don't really get that hurt or cause that much damage. Everyone has to learn their own way and when you DO lay the bike down you realise that if you were going faster you'd probably be in hospital right now...
The skills you learn in the first few years can make a younger ride really good, or just frustrate them to the point of giving up completely, depending on the rider and situations they get into.
Perhaps a longer CBT and a bigger range of bike could help bring down the accident rate.? After all it's proven that people who ride bikes make better car drivers.
Food for thought..
Craig.

05/10/16 - Hi, I definitely think it's unfair about having different category licenses. They say it's due to accidents; sure, if you've rode in the rain you know how bad it is and how dangerous. But, just imagine the consequences of a bike accident vs a car accident, a bike may kill just a rider and potentially a pillion, the car on the otherhand may kill 1-4 people, if crashed into another car potentially another 1-4 people‎ and also pedestrians. Who's the bigger threat? The car! I think 17 for a 125cc then unrestricted at 18/19 would be ideal so that riders can get experience on a smaller bike. P.S. My personal opinion is because a lot of money is received via motorcycle tests!
Sorry to make it so depressing, but equally truthful.

05/10/16 - Yes, simply this is down to experience. I am 19 and have been in the road since my 16th birthday on a little moped. Those who are going to drive stupidly fast and dangerously will always do so, as boy racers do in cars. It is not the job of the government to dictate which vehicle I can own. As long as I pass training then I think it is down to the rider to be responsible. Moreover; I do not see how an inexperienced 17 year old on a CBR 300 is any different than an inexperienced 21 year old on a GS1100. An older person is likely to get a bigger bike and as with cars, insurance prices would prohibit most 17 year olds from going crazy and buying a Ninja.

05/10/16 - Hi. Having read a lot of the comments my view is broadly in agreement with a lot of others. All new drivers/riders, having passed their test should drive/ride vehicles with a restricted power/performance for two years. It has long been a very unfair and dangerous situation where car drivers can drive a high powered sports car as long as Dad can afford the insurance! This is another example of the prejudice by government of motorcyclists.

05/10/16 - All riders of motorcycles should ONLY be allowed to ride a maximum of a 125cc bike till the age of 25. Seen idiots riding 125cc bike's wearing t-shirts & shorts & i feel like kicking them off & asking them if it hurts??? There's some really stupid wannabe fast bike riders out there grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

05/10/16 - You can take your car test at 16 in Isle of Man, although you are restricted to 50 MPH. after you have passed.

05/10/16 - Leave the car licence system out of this debate, it is OK as is.

The motorcycle licence needs to  change, the current system is too complicated and is stopping the younger generation getting into motorcycles. You only need to look at the riders at bike meets, they all look 50+

Today there is no benefit for a 17/18 year old to take a test, it will cost then approx. £700 with no advantage. They will just ride on with CBT and L plates. Surely the government should encourage people to take the test with the incentive of the next step up in motorcycle power. Having to take the same test three times has no benefit, the initial test could be as is, the second test could be similar to advanced motorist test and then the rider can ride whatever he can afford once passed.

Current system has to change.

06/10/16 - As a retired motorcycle instructor  N0 WAY should a 17 teen year old be able to ride a none restricted bike go on the road, I also think a 17 year old should not be aloud to drive a none restricted car with out doing some sort compulsory training as motorcyclist have to do.The roads could be a lot safer if we used the same rules,

07/10/16 - Hi I think you should take a look at the majority of 16-17 year old  kids on their scooters and how they ride and look after them.  I rest my case !    No is my answer.

31/10/16 - There should be some limit but it should be on BHP  not CC , say (40 BHP)  this would allow people to have a larger choice of different types of machines both modern & classic and as for car drivers they should all be made to ride a bike for at  lease a year before driving a car, unless they have a medical condition

08/11/16 - Having seen how most teenagers ride their mopeds around here I think it would be prudent to have restriction on more powerful machines until a certain level of experience is achived  and it should be based on experience and NOT age as a 50 year old can pass a test as well as a teenager. I don’t think youngsters should be penalized by having more than 1 practical test either as for many of them it is a way to get mobility fairly cheaply compared to the cost of car ownership. But I believe a staged approach to more powerful machines is needed and I think this should include cars too as I’ve seen too many youngsters come a cropper due to a small mistake and an over abundance of speed I except this won’t apply to all but I think for all road users it maybe the best solution.

16/12/16 - Absolutely not.  The big difference here is for Lucy; she’d have to spend a lot of money to get a car powerful enough to match motorcycle performance and probably wouldn’t even be able to get Insurance.  James however, whilst still having the same issue with Insurance could go out and buy a good condition motorcycle for £2000 that’d outperform most cars up to £40-50k.  I do think that the current motorcycle license system needs an overhaul though, there’s too many categories and it costs an absolute fortune.  I was fortunate enough to do mine just before the new changes came into effect.  Went straight from a CBF125 to a Z750 and the difference was monumental.  Currently ride a 2007 Tuono which is even more mental and I only paid £3.3k for it.  

TOPICS: LEGISLATION
Posted by Daisy Cordell
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